Its odd how there is that other photo of what looks like BG sitting on park bench. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. This goes on all the time, however. They just accept everyone as long as you say youre straight. Where did he get the food and what was the food? Furthermore, we have two different LE sources, both detectives in Indiana, tell us that this is exactly what happened. You do a great job! Thing is, over time your information tends to get better. We know there are key POI in other murders including Delphi residing in Wabash and possibly Logansport at that time. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. If anyone else is involved they know who it is. Theyre generally unusable. Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. Then they have the nerve to beg for witnesses to come forward with information. If the killer had that weird and I would assume rare fetish with the sticks, branches and stakes, maybe the local sex workers may know exactly who it is? One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. He may well have had a deer blind on the Mears property. 1950 brazil world cup tragedy. It is sad to think of unsolved murders like Linda Welby, Flora girls and Abby and Libby. I guess Im not sure when he graduated. LE asked him to move the vehicle. Kelsis DNA was the only DNA found on the bodies. How many times has he been cleared? We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. Abby may have been naked below the waist. Were their clothes found with the bodies at the crime scene? You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. To the Facilitator (change agent), double-speak is a key tool. The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. Victim was an 8-12 year old female. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. The sheriffs deputy did not work on the case. Were they are waiting for God Himself to come bring the keys? Deer kit on waist with five hunting knives. A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. I still have the pic. Have you been in contact with her at all? It is on the girls cellphones, but if you listen to it, you will just hear a bunch of unintelligible garble. (Indiana State Police) Authorities in Delphi, Indiana, have issued a fresh plea for information about a fake social media profile they suspect was used to lure two teenage girls to their deaths. A lot of my friends didnt join. He stayed to guard his truck. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. Im not sure about their clothes, but they definitely crossed that creek all right. Before the shooting, police believe a silver . Allen, who has entered . Not sure of the significance here. . There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. Fan Casting Indiana Jones and the Peril at Delphi by Lucasfilm Ltd. Story added by alecgroskreutz1 on February 22, 2023. . If so, why? Important residence periods: Moved to Evansdale, Iowa in 2011-2012 to work at a slaughterhouse possibly aligned with Tyson Foods there. Also his personality is nothing like Scott Alexander, some sock who is claiming to be LK on Facebook groups. I tend to suspect the latter of the two rather than the former. Here is a previous episode on the case. No, LK is the real deal. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. . He hunted deer on RLs land all the time. Neither Kegan nor Tony Kline can be placed at the bridge on that day or on any other day for that matter. I doubt if its important. Pay at least $20 for lifetime membership to my PayPal. Apparently. Answers to questions about my credibility. On Feb. 13, 2017, the two best. This week we continue our coverage of this very high profile case. Delphi murders investigation timeline:Review the case through 5 years of reporting. No, he didnt kill his own granddaughter. Its a dead end. These partial DNA samples are useful to LE. If one of the girls was pregnant, was the pregnancy a result of intercourse with Mr X? All rights reserved. 2-13 again. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. Obviously this is the only type of personality that is capable of podcasting an egomaniac on the other hand, their personality pathology limits the usefulness of their shows. Cop: Come on, man, we know you did it. If so, this proves that this crime was planned nearly down to the minute. There are fields behind his home! Another one of the videos had what Im assuming is a LinkedIn profile of some sort spliced into the slide show for a brief moment. Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter, handicrafting wooden signs. Abby and Libby - 2 young girls murdered. 9) He has killed before. Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. Becky Patty: Obviously theyre not accusing her of the homicides! However, these are all unconfirmed rumors. There may never be an arrest in this case. Thats going to be very hard for him to explain. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. Senior high school: First years unknown but graduated from Delphi High School in 1984-85. So who is Mr. X? And there are some good posters on r/LibbyandAbby; its just that they happen to be in the minority and all the best posters get downvoted to Hell and the people who are dead wrong get scores of upvotes! Im curious if Mr X knew KAK or his father? The doc is his property. You might consider joining us in our private group. 43 seconds of audio. Its $20. His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. They simply dont have enough on him to get a conviction is all. And-, Kline: I dont think I ever did, though. Im not sure if its better that way or not. Old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980s Dad jeans. Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs. I could know that some guy was a serial killer with 10 victims, and I dont have to go to the police. Ive never heard about all these details this is crazy. The motive was sexual. The main suspect according to police is a man whose name rhymes with Fat Clown. Good job though, because you confirm much of what Ive seen. Was present when the Evansdale Murders occurred. I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow. Theres no woman among them. Mr Xs alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide? They dont have enough on the main suspect him to take him to trial, but they enough to think did it. The Journal & Courier confirmed with law enforcement that the affidavit is authentic. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? Knives. I sorta did wonder where he was from 12 to 430ish. Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. There is evidence that may have worked at a Tyson packing plant in Logansport in 2011-2012. Yes, that is part of Leigh Kerrs testimony. Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. It is interesting to note that the Evansdale girls were also abducted on the 13th. I dont get it. Theyve been doing this from the very start, so this is nothing new. The conviction is expunged. No longer in state. That could be why they referred to BG as a creepy guy and still following us. Otherwise, and putting myself in their situation, if I saw someone at a distance on the bridge, I would have thought it was just another hiker and would not have been concerned that he was still following me. They just think its a sin that needs to be overcome. In addition, we may have more documents. What would be Mr X reason for leaving them there? But know, this is deliberate. Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.: Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. Libbys phone did not record him for 43 seconds. The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. It turns out that we have acquired a sleuth who is a former detective. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. The fact that I believe LE has been busy trying to cover up the mistakes they made early on leads me to believe that they inadvertently helped BG get away with this horrendous crime and continue to do so by withholding almost every piece of information possible from the public, while at the same time begging for that one tip they need to make an arrest. Train tracks and you guessed it, more fields, parallel to the gas station. Since then, theyve been poring through thousands of tips. The killings of teens Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, in February 2017 have . I see T. Neighboring state. Every podcast is all about them! Instead they were penetrated with inanimate objects, which, last time I checked, do not cause pregnancy. Please email if you do not want to reply here. Hes also thoroughly lawyered up, and hes not saying a word. A log was placed in front of one of the girls, and a doll was placed in front of the other girl. It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. He was married to Becky Pattys sister at the time, and I believe it was about a week afterwards that she posted on social media her husband was a monster then deleted it. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? To be fair, two other men were also searching Rons land that night and they didnt find anything either, so it looks like those girls were pretty hard to miss. Via LE Source A, Mr. X s roommate in 2011-2012 in Delphi told LE that BG was absolutely Mr. X. Some of it, I feel, is the result of intentional obfuscation. not sure I agree . Henceforth, he will be known as LE Source A. Oh, one more thing, Jim. He was very fearful and it really hit him hard how he got treated on that Reddit sub. Thats the price you pay to live in a free society. An officer confronted Kline about knowing that Libby was at a sleepover the night before her disappearance and communicating with her. This was just the most underhanded, disgusting display of we need a fall guy, and LE should be ashamed of themselves. And my ban appeal didnt work either. The girls took photos while strolling across the bridge, but as time passed and their family didnt hear from them, police were called for assistance. He parked 1,000 feet away from Rons door, almost a quarter mile away. Others close to the victims, who I will not name, have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them. How about getting your moneys worth? BA, Journalism, Cal State University Long Beach, 1981. How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia and needing a change of clothes? Stay tuned. Just thought I would draw your attention to it. For information on these documents, see the special section below where their nature and provenance is explained. Remember how all these Youtubers trashed Leigh Kerr? FORT WAYNE, Ind. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. He has dealt with his grief with silence and hiding himself away. I also believe there are other factors at play here possibly being protected and I dont think LE wants the truth of what happened to Abby and Libby to come out for whatever reason. Mr. X is a very close friend of Mr. M. Mr. M was a 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls. No one else has come close to uncovering the amount and quality of information we have. Its certainly possible that she may well have not recognized Mr. X, even though he was apparently a neighbor. LE doesnt have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X. Kirts knew those backwoods just as good & probably better than Logan didI dunno man, the motive is dead on too (his beast of a girlfriend Garth getting locked up & losing custody of her son because of Libertys dad snitching for jail time easingI first thought this was a serial crimeNow, after looking at a lot more of the detail (& coming in to this in December 21, with most of the pertinent activity already have taken place), Id say chances of it being serial are probably less than 1%. Theyre Delphi related videos comparing his appearance to BG. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. One person wins and everyone else loses. One thing I always have to remind myself of is that LE is allowed to lie to the public. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and weve even filled in a lot of the blanks. Recently, multiple local sources with knowledge have opened up to share that this was a hit ordered by a very powerful businessman who runs a criminal operation that some say is akin to a mafia-style family outfit. Corn fields? Ive looked this man over and I cant think of anyone less likely to commit this crime. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. We also have at least one other search warrant for another home. I am trying to be vague. A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970s. Thats technically true but in all my years of playing the part of a PIO and putting out press releases, Ive never intentionally told a lie. Thats why all the smoke and mirrors. The Murder Sheet podcast published the affidavit filed by a FBI agent asking for a warrant to search. I never knew what evidence anyone had against this guy except, He kills chicks! In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. Currently Awaiting Trial. Here are the main things that ALLEGEDLY (no proof guys, just what I received) stood out to me: 1) I got three names, of which, per your instruction, I will not provide here. There are 244 comments there. For more information, please see our It finally started to sink in to these geniuses when the case was made look one of the eye witnesses who contributed to the 1st BG sketch is a lady who lives right behind Ron Logan, dont you think if the Killer was Ron that she would say, simply yeah the guy I saw that day lives right behind me? Not that anyone who has half a brain needs to be convinced Ron Logan is not the killer lol. How about never? Dont pay any attention to that.. We also do not know why out of all of the places to search, he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up. But after reading all of this my personal opinion I think 3 people are involved. So, to end my novel, I agree with you. You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven. He is wearing a deer kit, which contains five different types of knives. Trials. CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. But I see the home is raised. I am sure he was asked. Also, I dont know what to make of this. Weve been proven correct on eight different things that only the police could have known. Suspect: Ok, you got me. I doubt it. Even after the girls were recovered, Mr. X stayed around through all of the media and police hubbub for the next eight hours, from 12:30 PM to 8:30 PM, so his truck was out at the crime scene for 26 full hours, with Mr X presumably with it the entire time. But they didnt get to ask him about PB. This happened b/w the mid-80s to early-90s. Who are you friends with. If so, wouldnt the coroner be able to obtain DNA from the fetus? Though she cannot comment on this investigation since its ongoing, she MAY be able to offer clues. ? thats tough luck usually)I agree with him that it was probably Logan that gave the cops details on Kirts to get out of the clink The cops say the killer made a mistakeI bet it was probably something left behind in one of Logans barns or shacks. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. Thanks Dee. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the show's founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesday's "Crime Stories" to discuss the case. I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. It was stated that Libby was nude. What time was RL on video eating pizza? Cookie Notice No, they are obviously looking for photos and videos that the killer took as part of this crime. Of course Ron Logan didnt do it. They said, Hes just a decoy. But we dont know what that means. LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. They think he did it. Logan was never formally named a suspect and never charged in the Delphi murders. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ, Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, More Crazy (Obsessive and Conspiratorial) Antisemitism, This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, The Rules-Based Order the US Keeps Blabbing about, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. Hopefully justice will be served. Anyway, where you at with this case now? Number 6, an extremely controversial statement, was told to JM and then to us by a sheriff in a nearby county. I think he already knew that they would be there. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. Richard Allen, the suspect arrested in Oct. 2022 in connection with the murders of Liberty "Libby" German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, in Delphi, Indiana. DELPHI, Ind. A lot of my comments have been deleted, not at my discretion. Ill leave it at that. Im limited in my sleuthing skills. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files? (WPTA/WNDU) - Documents have been released in the Delphi murders case, but questions about the evidence and how Abby Williams and Libby German died remain. PERU, Ind. Because that is a deer kit around his waist. Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. He stopped for gas and cigarettes. We are very worried that the police may be trying to pin this crime on Kegan and Tony Kline and we know neither one is involved. One question: I havent seen this anywhere but have the police questioned Mr. X about the murders? We now have a better time frame for Mr. Xs truck being parked at the cemetery. A pair of binoculars. Gull set aside June 15 and June 16, if needed for a bail hearing for Allen. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. Im actually a rather shy, introverted, cautious, and extremely polite person who is terrified of making people mad, getting called creepy, offending people, etc. Bottom line is our theories now are dramatically more accurate than the 85% error rate we had earlier. (inaudible), Police: You, you admitted you talked to her . The girls hand was wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she was stabbing herself. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? Hi folks. There are men going down on this all the time all over the US. We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged. In other words, they were faked. Im not familiar with Indiana; Ive never been there. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. But all theories must be judged against their competitors (Occams). Paul Etter: A 55 year old local man of many interests. I read through it early on, saw interesting stuff and then later came back and tried to find the interesting stuff but got lost. So I held off. That looks suspicious as Hell. We now know a lot of things about the main suspect, including the name, age, height, weight, marital status, possible offspring, address, names of wife and children, and history of his life. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. Unfortunately, its not free. How often to killers, of children or otherwise, take fucking photos and videos of their goddamned crimes? Thats what we want to talk to him about when our investigators go out there again. All I ask is that you say that our suspect is named Mr. X, and we absolutely refuse to identify this man. Must be a lot of people with that name. Anything that shows they crossed the creek that evening. Not even Becky Patty and she was probably more devastated than anyone and probably still is. There is so much junk, lies, theory, you name it, it is there. I do not know why RRB is? The catfishing situation is not what we think. 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