This is youre basic McCarthyist style, witch accusing, intimidation tactic that is used to try and gain total control over perception and the situation. With the Come Follow Me program we are asked to have discussions instead of lessons. But to be clear on this, fear is never used by the Holy Ghost to teach. by h_p August 20th, 2021, 7:53 am, Post I second the fact that Mike gives exact quotes, uses only scriptures and teachings of Latter-day prophets in his podcasts. DSC, I agree that the church has always dealt with apostasy from either side (its interesting to compare Malcom Jeppsens early 1990s bell curve of membership to the December 2015 Enemies Slide released by MormonLeaks things really havent changed all that much). With this we can rid ourselves of all fear and ridicule of others and have confidence that we are taking the right path. If he gives his opinion he always clearly, clearly states it is his opinion only and is to be taken into consideration only if guided to by the spirit. I am wondering if I could get your comment, (off record of course) re a member named James T. Prout. Despite his constantly bearing testimony of the brethren he read the B of M like Nibley did ie condemning the Gentiles and making the case ( which most agree with) that we LDS are the Gentiles discussed in the B of M. In his podcast on the definition of Gentiles he discusses 2 Nephi 28 and effectively says that when Nephi sees that they have ALL gone out of their way ( 2 Nephi 28;11) or Moromon 8;380 why have ye polluted the holy church of god he is talking about us in our day. Im not saying my hearing is better or more correct. And he is correct on that. Conjectures and historical comments on others, however, simply left the question hanging. I have appreciated the respect given even when people here disagreed with each other. In a later podcast, he promised, You spending time with the Lord every day is designed to bring you to this place where you too can say, I did look unto my God and did praise him all the day long. (Podcast 019: 1 Nephi 18, abt 29:24) Stroud encouraged listeners to write down any revelations received during this holy time with the Lord, and at various points he shared revelations he received. The job of church leaders is to try to lead the Church by the Spirit. Many have felt so alone they have succumbed to suicide. A stay-at-home mom to three, she enjoys family history research and talking religion. 3. Merlin Olsen, NFL star turned TV star [58] Mark Schultz (wrestler), Gold medal winning wrestler. 97. In Elder Oaks talk Be Not Deceived he also did not teach that we should fear deception. the FRUIT of a good tree is good fruit, a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. The Church constantly deals with apostasy, sometimes in large waves, because of it. As you kneel down in prayer before reading the book, ask the Lord to send these men and these women to you to teach, instruct, give greater understanding, and even visions and manifestations to you (Podcast 023: 1 Nephi 22, abt 4:14) Ive seen one critic use the word conjuring to describe what Brother Stroud recommended. His original analysis has been studied by students of the scriptures inover 130 countries worldwide, and is included in his first book -, The Curious Case of My Technicolored Genenome, Revelation - The Vision of John the Divine, Chapter 19 - The Pre-mortal Legacy of the House of Israel, Dana Coverstone Dream - Think Ezra's Eagle, Sharyl Attkisson - Astroturf and the Manipulation of the Modern Narrative. (Discovery Channel) 25 Feb 2021. I saw some of his videos after the election and he was trying really hard to explain it in a way that fit his Ezra's Eagle view. Jana Riess research on Millennials: churchistrue quick take, Another Podcaster Excommunicated, But Maybe Not For the Reason You Think. Many people seek dominion and amen to the priesthood of those men. We accept him as a prophet because his story is in the scriptures instead of a current podcast. The truth is they dont really know much about it themselves, aside from what theyve heard from other spooks and online sources. This journey led to a very odd placethe old apocrypha. And yet the excommunications continue. False Doctrine right and left. Stroud also recommended asking for visitations from specific Book of Mormon individuals. And as the author rightly conceded he never actually used the term astral projection. Salt Lake City [Utah]: University of Utah Press, 2008. For example, President Nelson counseled in April, I urge you to stretch beyond your current spiritual ability to receive personal revelation, for the Lord has promised that if thou shalt [seek], thou shalt receive revelation upon revelation, knowledge upon knowledge, that thou mayest know the mysteries and peaceable thingsthat which bringeth joy, that which bringeth life eternal.12, Oh, there is so much more that your Father in Heaven wants you to know. Evan, I wasnt really disagreeing with what YOU said before, and I disagree even less now. Rush is the author of A Remnant Shall Return, Daniel 11, and Revelation the Vision of John the Divine. So what did Brother Stroud teach? He even said the church is basically responsible for distributing the Book of mormon while Mike and his podcasts were used by God to GATHER THE ELECT. But that is my own evolution, and is in no way precipitated by anyone speaking from a voice of authority. It is a BURDEN on those so chosen. Disqus Notifications Not Working, Your email address will not be published. Alma 12 clearly teaches to seek after knowledge, and to him who does not harden his heart, will be given the mysteries of God. Whitepages helps 19 people every second do reverse phone lookups , find people and get background checks , including public records , in order to make smarter, safer decisions. I am one of the authors of the Google Doc that is being blamed for Mike Strouds Excommunication. I put it this way because too many people think that love is an action word, and for them perhaps it is. Comparison. For this, I humbly apologize and ask for your forgiveness. I also find it interesting that they are so condemning of teachers in the online community who they feel have inappropriately and without authority called themselves to teach. With Rodger Corser, Callan Mulvey, Nicole da Silva, Ashley Zukerman. Im not sure I have desires with regard to what God may offer. Then, lets take it a step further. Caring implies action; love is just a feeling. Conflicting values is nothing new. For a Zion people this is not a problem but it is a common problem of society and because the church is still in a pre-Zion state, its a problem in the church as well. That means if you make a purchase from a link you click on, I might receive a small commission. . The Facebook page was taken down temporarily for safety concerns. This Mike Stroud controversy is something that has somewhat divided me. At The Disco's frontman on being the only original member left", "Out to Win: Panic! Are in a same-gender marriage. View all posts by Mary Ann. I myself would never say someone did or did not have these experiences. There has been a shift. And trust and hope wanes. Release date: Oct 30, 2010: Booking location: Leon County, FL: Booking location: The Chaplain wrote a complaint in the base newsletter about people preferring to go to the mountains on the Sabbath, which included me. 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Includes Address(5) Phone(4) Email(1) See Results. This does not increase the price you'll pay for that item nor does it decrease the awesomeness of the item. I was at the meeting where Mike told the guy to not be afraid of deceit. When youre old, odd isnt as odd as it is when youre young and have a nice big box to fit everything into. Michael B. Handbook 1 Section 6.7.3 includes a special Mormon-speak definition of apostacy. Mikes telling us he was excommunicated for apostacy doesnt actually tell us why. I am not a fan of personal revelations, testimony meetings, patriarchal blessings, the temple in general, bishopric and stake presidency interviews, the ensign, 90% of conference talks, and anything else that is cult-like or weird. God has presumably chosen certain spirits in advance and has nothing directly to do with love for them specifically but rather love for the human race that is answered by providing certain talents at certain places and times. I know when Stroud got excommunicated, Julie Rowe suggested she would likely suffer the same fate (though I didnt get the impression it was imminent). Don't miss this webinar with best selling author Michael Rush as he shares some of the careful and insightful ways he researches the scriptures in order to write powerful and thought-provoking books. So I had a lady call me up a while back and she is up in Utah and she said brother Stroud can I share with you this experience, and I said please do it.She says I saw man and I dont know if I was in a dream or vision, I dont know what it was, but I saw man and he was standing in the distance and he was looking at me. This Podcast is based off the book - A Remnant Shall Return written by Michael Rush. Michael B Rush may have been arrested in or around of Florida, on or around Oct 30, 2010. We are all learning and doing the best we can given the circumstances of our life. During his interview with DeFede,. But its not just about spending time with deity. This website is designed to be a secure portal for interested parties to learn more about Michael's research, as well as providing more advantageous purchasing options for his books and audio books. by keeprunning August 19th, 2021, 9:29 pm, Post (Myers) Rush on December 22, 1981 in Dallas County, Texas and they separated on July 5, 1984. I think part of the disconnect here is what constitutes a moderate/liberal/progressive change. Somethings been gnawing at me as Ive listened to Strouds podcasts during the last week or so. This rescue brigade, to liberate and deliver the captive House of Israel throughout the nations of the world, are referred to in scripture as the 144,000. Thanks for the write up. In the talk the author quoted by M. Russell Ballard Beware of False Prophets and False teachers not a single time did Elder Ballard ever say that we should be afraid of deception. His original analysis has been studied by students of the scriptures in over 130 countries worldwide, and is included in his first book - A Remnant Shall Return first published in 2015.. Be notified when new blogs, videos or books are available. What mightve gotten him in trouble this time? A Remnant Shall Return - 2020 Edition: A Study of the Restoration of the House of Israel (Understanding the Last Days Series Book 1), 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates. Fear of deception is deception. We have information on 910-692-9945, including Michael B Rush's name, address, and background checks with criminal records. 5. Now I will write about LOVE. 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Hamula", "Kelly laments her 'painful' excommunication from Mormon church", "Mormons Oust First Indian in the Hierarchy", "Roz Chalmers, Merlin Holland, David Charles Manners, David Waterman, Midweek - BBC Radio 4", "Skyjackerthe Richard McCoy Jr. Story - Part 2", "Controversial Mormon writer gets the word: He's out of the church", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_former_or_dissident_Mormons&oldid=1140233272, This page was last edited on 19 February 2023, at 03:06. While studying at BYU, Michael met and married his wife Amy - a beautiful Kansas girl. I can remember my father going to the True Order of Prayer prayer circles held each month in our stake. Thanks for your input, Scootd28. I cant even wrap my head how he spun the unvaccinated into the covenant if death. The true pandemic (we haven't seen the real pandemic yet) will be horrible and the news of it so bad that it will be just as painful to hear the news of the plague as it will be to experience it. Symphony Health Acquisition, Almost means not quite. Brien is a super quick force as he lays very hard into Starling before he tags in Patrick who is all about force and power. DSC the Church has changed over the years and the changes nearly always are mostly in the moderate/liberal/progressive direction. Never heard of him, I'm not really one to listen to LDS commentators. Some of the garbage they sell slays me. The concept of personal revelation has been a source of strength and tension since the beginning of the Church. 15 February 2021 at 7:34 PM. Consciously getting up and leaving ones body is not something most could do even if they spent all day trying. The superficial milk seeking, moralistic therapeutic diesism found in the minds of those like yourself have changed the way we teach the doctrines of the gospel over the course of my life and I am greatly disappointed by your ilk. Heroically. I quite like Michael Rush. by Trucker August 20th, 2021, 12:41 pm, Post Mike Stroud is teaching all of these NEW and EXPERIMENTAL concepts that are NOT based on any scriptural truths or words of the Prophets. Sorry, Bellamy, you said you know Mike. Not my place. All throughout the Scriptures we have stories of mostly men, extraordinary men, who have extraordinary experiences with God. Taking a liberal approach has not saved liberal churches from rapid decline. I'm hoping he'll see this and come here and elaborate, since he disabled comments on the video. Podcast 05: Spending Sacred Holy Time With The Lord Jesus Christ, the frequency and abundance of messages from heaven have increased exponentially, She testified of how real and true the concept of modern revelation from the Lord to His prophet really is., Mike Stroud Has Been Excommunicated Latter-day Commentary Last Days Signs of the Times, End-Times Visionary Julie Rowe Excommunicated Wheat & Tares, Jana Riess: Chad Daybells strange end times beliefs are not Mormon theology, says historian .U.S.A.-News. Kimberly, I hope Im never in the same ward as you. And then its an ability theyd likely be keeping to themselves. So I anticipate future change to be more of the same. They could share them with others without the concern of generating feelings of separation and comparison. According to the Church, When someone obtains the Second Comforter, Jesus Christ will appear to him from time to time, will reveal the Father, and will teach him face to face (D&C 130:3). For Stroud, the Book of Mormon brings people closer to Christ and the heavenly hosts, literally. I would like to invite all who have served missions in Spanish-speaking or Portuguese-speaking countries, if you can, to refer these podcast lessons to those men and women that you worked with in the mission field and put them in touch with the Spanish translation of these Book of Mormon lessons and well soon have the first lessons in Portuguese. (Podcast 012: 1 Nephi 12, abt 20:19), The reason I suspect this was an issue is that in Strouds podcast where he announces his excommunication, he notes that he is only continuing the series at the encouragement of his children. Follow this link to a Book of Mormon discussion on the moral fiber of the Stripling Warriors "Talking Scripture" Alma 53-63. Please dont misunderstand, I am not saying that Mike Stroud is a prophet. My guess is that he proceeded in direct opposition to some counsel he was given and agreed to, because while his doctrine sounds extreme and off the path of truth, I dont think the church is in the business of excommunicating people for faulty but genuinely held beliefs. The enemy of God is cunning and can put words or thoughts in your mind that, being nearly correct, discourage further study on that topic because you think youve gotten it straight from God. Utah Historical Quarterly. And the whole time they dont realize the illusion that they are creating. To be fair, Mike did put a disclaimer at the beginning and the end of the podcast in question that this technique may not be for everyone and should only be tried with discernment. Where are the stories of humble priests who offer the remaining candlesticks to the thief who spent years at hard labor for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving children? Perhaps the authors research on this topic was poor, but this quote has come up on social media a number of times and Im a bit surprised the author has not seen it. He is the Author of The "Last Days" Timeline and website. I pray for them. We have heard only a few of Mikes podcasts encouraging personal revelation. [2:16] The doctrines of the Second Comforter, calling and election made sure, translation, and the calling of the 144,000 are among those specific sacred concepts that should have been spoken with more care and by constraint of the Spirit. And thus, the measure of their progress is not based on a relationship with God and what they have to offer his Kingdom. BofM is true and thats good enough for to move forward. But its my understanding that he is appealing their ruling so well see how that goes. It was inappropriate for me to teach that temple ordinances, specifically the use of altars, should be practiced outside of the temple. I have enjoyed reading all of the comments. Scootb28, I admire your own zeal for Zion and Im with you on that. As much as Mike Stroud was loved at that meeting and in the online community, there would be others who would hate him just as much. My first observation of their character is that despite their supposedly being such strong adherents to official church doctrine, they dont feel like any other rules apply to them. Infact, what Bryson noted was that at the same time she was the most loved person in class she was also the most hated. It was just the two of us. We have Anti-Nephi-Lehis laying down their lives by the thousands, and the miraculous conversions attributed to Alma and the sons of Mosiah; Prison walls fall to the ground around Alma and Amaleki, then, following the demonstration of the pillar of fire, around Nephi and Lehi. what appears to me as the obvious needed direction moving towards more moderate/liberal views on these issues. $875,000 7701 Atlantic Ave #1d, Riesenfeld Ernest Asen Dennis P; 12/24/20. The 3 Eagle Head identification could have several different meanings, The 2 wings (Right and Left) identification, The Lion's timing of when it comes to "save the Saints", The deeper proof behind "Why Herbert Hoover". These are the scriptures of the common man not of the elite. There more from the doc that could be discussed. Apparently, some tried it and did not have a good experience. ], Mary Ann i generally agree with your analysis . Michael B. 26 And then Christ goes and talks about all being one , and that eternal life is to KNOW HIM in John 17. I would say all things in this world should only be considered by the guidance of the Spirit. Sounds like you agreed with some things I saidand some not or at least the terminology. It had more to do with some very immature teenager girls who convinced everyone that they had a special ability to see evil in a person that no one else could. Fear is the opposite of faith. I have a doubt I do anything out of love, I do things because I care. I find that I agree with him less and less as time goes on, although sifting through his commentary is a good exercise in defining my own better. Michael B. Mormon Stories. I agree that the grounds are at least sometimes inadequately communicated even to the person subject to church discipline.. Yet, they are ignored, as, apparently, are the canonized scriptures such as the Bible, BOM, and D&C. Very good comments. And what I first noticed about the doc is that it plays out very much like an anti-mormon literature pamphlet citing all the concerns they have about certain beliefs and blaring numerous scriptures and quotes about false prophets. And now it has come to this. I can see the bind that the church is in here and I am actually somewhat sympathetic to its position, but of course, its a case where the church has done this to itself. And unrighteous dominion thrives. He only got through 1 Nephi before his church discipline, but the vast majority of what he said is what youd expect from a longtime seminary teacher: pointing out Hebraisms, thinking more deeply about each verse and the motives of each character, emphasizing tribal lineages in the gathering of Israel, etc. How can we discuss or share experiences if we are afraid that we will be labeled as extreme or potentially get excommunicated for seeking after what Joseph Smith taught we should all be seeking after and that is our second comforter experience. Lets see in the BOM alone we have Lehi witnessing a pillar of fire vision that left him exhausted; Nephi being taken up to a high miountain and shown the history of the world; Abinadi being prompted to call out the priests of King Noah at the risk of death; King Benjamin being visited by an angel, Alma the Youngers theophany that left him near death, not to mention those of Limhi and other Lamanite converts. Ive had plenty of dealings with Kimberly and her associates on social media. You Asked, We Answered! The items in the verse refer to tools, the line is a snap line to get things straight. It strikes me how much the church has changed even in my life time The increase skepticism and unbelief is remarkable.I can remember G.C .talks on having your calling and election made sure and the importance of hearing the more sure word of prophesy. Stroud has taught no false doctrines that I can discern. Thank you Mary Ann. Rush was the first LDS scholar to accurately decipher the prophetic writings of Ezra now known as Ezras Eagle. Assure eternal reign, Check out the latest breaking news videos and viral videos covering showbiz, sport, fashion, technology, and more from the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday. Ability theyd likely be keeping to themselves you click on, I im. And website controversy is something that has somewhat divided me things straight the measure of their progress is not most. 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