He was also shown to be comically outraged by the damage to Kami's Lookout during the Majin Buu Conflict. One of the reasons why could be because Piccolo Jr. is stronger than his father/past-self King Piccolo, and grew much stronger fusing with Nail prior to Piccolo fusing with Kami. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! In Budokai Tenkaichi 3, there is a special dialogue where King Piccolo suggests that he and Piccolo Jr. actually fuse together. It is said by Guru that the Nameless Namekian's power splits in half upon going from a Super Namekian to a regular Namekian. Super Namekian form is simply Piccolo without his weighted clothing. On saiyan vs nameless namekian debate - remember that he was a little kid who was sent to earth, not some adult. In the manga, Grand Elder Guru believes that no ordinary Saiyan could defeat the Nameless Namekian, only a Super Saiyan. by FoolsGil Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:52 am, Post For example, King Piccolo, in his quest to take over the world, created several such mutated Namekians such as Cymbal, who resembles a dinosaur. The nameless Namekian is stronger by several margins. 17. As the nameless Namek grew up, he looked to the sky for an explanation of his origins. That's all it'd take for what he said to make sense. Piccolo decides to remain on the dying planet, knowing that his sacrifice would ensure that the Black Star Dragon Balls could never be used again. Lord Piccolo is referred to as a Super Namek in Dragonball Evolution: The Game after being reborn as Neo Piccolo. In Lord Slug, King Kai states that Super Namekians have abilities a hundredfold superior to that of regular Namekians. This doesn't seem to be the case for several reasons. When Kami and Piccolo reformed as one, the Nameless Namekian appears in video games as Piccolo. . 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Kamicolo's power was majoritively thanks to Piccolo Jr.'s natural talent and training throughout the series giving him a substantial pull in the right direction, on top of plot mandated boost being however high it needed to be. An atmosphere wave that drastically changed the planets climatic conditions a long time ago killed off the majority of Namekians. Even though most of the Dragon Ball series has portrayed the majority of Namekians as positive characters, its widely believed that 300 years before the events of the series, they were highly destructive and evil. They're two halves. The evil Nameless Namek creates an army of super powerfulMutated Namekiansin order to conquer Earth, resulting in a war against his army and the Red Ribbon Androids. Piccolo as a Super Namekian is also stronger than the average Super Saiyan such as Goten and Trunks, and by the time of the Tournament of Destroyers he becomes strong enough to hold his own against final form Frost. I really doubt the Nameless Namekian was all that before splitting himself in two. Notably when Champa and Vados referred to him as a Namekian, Piccolo stated he was not a Namekian - rather he was the reincarnation of Demon King Piccolo. What isn't filler is Grand Elder Guru saying point blank that only a super sayan would even have a chance at defeating the Nameless Namekian in the Manga. Alternate names Theres also a third class of Namekians called the Demon Clan. For starters, it wasn't confirmed that he was at Super Saiyan level. Their sleeping habits are considerably different too, and that shouldnt come as a surprise, considering that they were born on a planet that had three suns. The impression I got from the Great Elder's words regarding the child of Katatz (Piccolo and Kami before they split) was that, on average, most Namekians before the cataclysm were stronger than most Saiyans, regardless of class. In Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Lord Slug and Piccolo both appear as playable characters. Doing so also greatly increases his power level, as noted by Goku and Trunks. Piccolo proved to be more than a match for Frost who ended up cheating to beat Piccolo. creative tips and more. It is revealed that at some point before splitting into King Piccolo and Kami that the Nameless Namekian created a powerful set of Dragon Balls known as the Black Star Dragon Balls. by Hitiro Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:24 am, Post Moori, appointed Nameks Grand Elder after Gurus demise. @johncena69swag: Piccolo fused with Kami during the Cell saga, remember? Piccolo proved to be more than a match for Frost who ended up cheating to beat Piccolo. Namekian Fusion ( Yg [1], lit. We try our very best, but cannot guarantee perfection. I heard that as well.I think it was like the nameless namek could've taken Frieza. Or maybe just that, based on what we've seen, the average Saiyan (Raditz at 1,500) is weaker than the average Namekian (the young ones at 3,000). First, theirpower levelstook a huge plummet. There is no way Namek level Piccollo even with Nails is fighting that. So you think that two sub 200ish PL guys can merge together & get over 1 million? This is also not unlike Buu, who expelled his evilness, and it became Grey Buu, and then eventually went through Super Buu and Kid Buu and Kid Buu died and reincarnated. Long ago, a Namekian child came to Earth in order to escape the horrendous natural disasters occurring on his home planet. Very similar to Superman, Katas' father launched him on a spaceship away from the planet in hopes of saving his life. First, their power levels took a huge plummet. Before dying, King Piccolo creates an egg which contains his final son/new form, Piccolo Jr., who from that point onward shares a lifeline with Kami (had King Piccolo not done this Kami would have died as well). Tambourine, another son of King Piccolo. Namekians are nonsense. How The Nameless Namekian Came to Earth Before Dragon Ball . Shortly before battling with Frieza on the Namekian homeworld, Piccolofusedbodies with a near-dead Namek known asNailwho cryptically referenced the Nameless Namekian by noting that if Piccolo had come in his "original form" he would have been much stronger and could have defeated Frieza (at least in his first form). Subscribe for virtual tools, STEM-inspired play, creative tips and more. When Piccolo returned to Namek and found Nail. It was during this time that he discovered the Namek spaceship in a plateau, which he used as a house while awaiting someone to come looking for him. This is not android arc piccolo + Nail + Kami , this is pre split nameless namek. by Herms Tue Dec 16, 2014 2:47 am, Post Guru said that only a Super Saiyan would have a chance at beating the Nameless Namekian, strongest Saiyan at the time was Vegeta (250,000), 250,000 x 50 = 12,500,000. For the rest of films from Dragon Ball Z: The Return of Cooler onwards, the Nameless Namekian appears as Piccolo. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. InDragon Ball Xenoverse 2, the Nameless Namekian is mentioned in a quiz hosted by two Majin NPCs. by Angelus Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:05 am, Post My thing is, almost all of the modern Nameks from U7 are children of Guru. Namekians lifespans are also incredible, with Kami living until 300 years old before the fusion with Piccolo. The Grand Elder just felt that, given how weak Saiyans are supposed to be normally, that only a Super Saiyan should have the capacity to be able to defeat the child of Katatz pre-split. Fission involves the separation of a single Namekian into different entities. In addition to these 17 Namekians whove been shown in the series, there are also 104 unnamed Namekians, who are Gurus children. In Dragon Ball GT, it is revealed that, before splitting his good and evil halves, the Nameless Namekian created the all-powerful Black Star Dragon Balls, though when he did so is unknown. Kami didn't exist presplit. Piccolo didn't go from one Frieza tier to another. On the other hand, the Dragon Clan Namekians are mostly priests and healers who primarily have a plethora of magical abilities. Agreed with your second point. Krillin called him a "Super Namekian" because of his new and extraordinary powers, able to far eclipse the strength of an untrained Super Saiyan. What isn't filler is Grand Elder Guru saying point blank that only a super sayan would even have a chance at defeating the Nameless Namekian in the Manga. None of the Namekians knew about Freeza's higher forms, right? discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. A Namekian Future Warrior can also become powerful enough to be classified as a Super Namekian capable of taking on powerful fighters like Kid Buu, Mira, Demigra, Broly, Super 17, and Omega Shenron. The Nameless Namekianwas able to outclass Garlic in the competition after separating himself from his evil essence, as Garlic's ambitions for the position were far more selfish in nature. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet DLC Expansion Pass, Every Character Piccolo Tried To Kill (& Failed), he separated himself into Kami and King Piccolo, Kami suffered from an extreme loss in power level as well, Why Dr. Slump Deserves as Much Recognition as Dragon Ball, Naruto: The Real Mythology Behind The Uchiha's Strongest Jutsu, The Greatest Romance Anime Of All Time (February 2023), Boruto: 10 Characters Stronger Than Naruto Uzumaki. The Super Namekian Powers Up! Kami and Piccolo decided this because Piccolo was stronger than Kami, and so, just like Shin was to Kibito, Piccolo's personality remained. The only survivors were Guru(who gave birth to the entire population again), the Nameless Namekian(who is Piccolo and Kami before they split up), and Lord Slug(if you do not mind counting non canon shit). For example, Gurus son and bodyguard, Nail, had a 42,000 power level. During the Tournament of Power, it is shown that Kami and Nail still exist within Piccolo even encouraging him to continue fighting for the sake of their universe. Xenoverse Ancient Katas' Battle Costume description. Piccolo could hold his own, and even take the advantage at points, in battle against an opponent as powerful as Android 17 during the Androids Saga. Like only Androids saga Vegeta level or something? Also he's talking about FIRST form F. Do you have a scan or link to where you found that source? It was during this time that he discovered the Namek spaceship in a plateau, which he used as a house while awaiting someone to come looking for him. More: Why Dr. Slump Deserves as Much Recognition as Dragon Ball. Fusion involves the merging of two Namekians, such as Nail and Piccolo combining to take on Frieza. Yeah, it's probably best not to take the talk about "splitting power in half" too literally. their power levels took a huge plummet. Shenron, the Earths dragon, on the other hand, could understand the language spoken by humans. When he was a child, the planet underwent a catastrophic natural disaster that killed everyone except him and a few other Namekian (including Grand Elder Guru and the movie-only Lord Slug). But is not even close to super perfect cell. A battle suit said to have been worn by Katas, a brilliant Namekian of the past. The spaceship landed onEarthin the frigidYunzabit Heights, where the nameless Namek spent his life alone from youth through adolescence. I mean how powerful would the Nameless Namekian be, considering that there was no Nail in the mix. The Namekians are one of the many powerful races of the universe of Dragon Ball, capable of truly special abilities. Nameless NamekianLord SlugPiccoloPilinaSaonelNamekian SaviorGamelanKing Piccolo[2]Kami[2]PrilinEX Prilin[3]Kallohan[3]Picohan[3]Kibicollo Kai[3]Namekian Ultra Fusions[3]Lord Piccolo (James Marsters)[4] Nameless Namekian, Katas' son who came to Earth and after splitting his soul, became Kami and King Piccolo. Nameless Namekian is the unnamed Namekian son of Katas and was originally one being until he separated the evil out of his body, becoming Kami and removing Demon King Piccolo from his soul . The Nameless Namekian also appeared to have a fondness for the planet Earth which was likely strengthened by Kami's role as its guardian and Piccolo having been born there. In the anime, Super Namekians also exist in Universe 6 as Saonel and Pilina are Super Namekians and they acquired this power through Namekian Fusion with other Universe 6 Namekians which they state represents their will to survive. That isn't a minor boost. We strive to recommend the very best things that are suggested by our community and are things we would do ourselves - our aim is to be the trusted friend to parents. In Dragon Ball Xenoverse, a Frieza Race Time Patroller named Percel mentions a time distortion where King Piccolo fuses with Kami becoming an Evil Super Namekian and giving birth to powerful Mutated Namekians strong enough to take on the Red Ribbon Androids and the Organization of Babidi eventually resulting in three-way war between his Demon Clan, the Red Ribbon Army, and Babidi's forces. Merging with Kami in the Android arc doubled Piccolo's strength. The entirety of the Cell saga was about mastering the Super Saiyan form so you could discover what was even more advanced. He was also shown to be comically outraged by the damage to Kami's Lookout during theMajin Buu conflict. However, when he separated, their power levels plummeted into the mere hundreds. 7. He was originally one being until he separated the evil out of his body, becoming Kami and removing King Piccolo from his soul. Later onBabidiand his forces invade Earth, resulting in a three way war between the Nameless Namekian's Demon Clan, the Red Ribbon Androids, andBabidi's forcesthat leaves most of Earth in ruins. But even if he is a prodigy, the modern day prodigy is Nail who isn't even a percentage of the Nameless Namekian's power. Additionally, the Namekian Future Warrior can become a Great Namekian after learning how to access the form through training with Piccolo and Nail in the Guru's House time rift anomaly. And he was not necessarily "confirmed to be SSJ1 level"; merely that, after reading Kuririn's mind to learn that he was killed by a Saiyan, the Great Elder mentioned that Piccolo might not have had to die if he was one with Kami again, and wondered if the Saiyan who killed him (Vegeta at 18,000 BP) was a "Super Saiyan". The Nameless Namekian was portrayed as consciously expelling a black ghost-like apparition (presumed to be King Piccolo). @apex_pretador: No. The Nameless Namekian, later referred to as Piccolo (or mistakenly "Kamiccolo") is a Namekian, and the son of Katas. Oddly enough, the Nameless Namekian actually does have a name Katas. The nameless Namekian is stronger by several margins. Not only that, but Guru claimed the Nameless Namek wouldn't have had any trouble against regular Saiyans, which is ridiculous if we go by your theory on the fusion. Any information you provide to us via this website may be placed by us on servers located in countries outside the EU if you do not agree to such placement, do not provide the information. Maybe. Nail said to Piccolo when he returned to Namek that if he returned in his original form, he would have been able to take on Frieza. Kamiccolo, thats what Goku named the fusion of Piccolo and Kami. The spaceship landed on Earth in the frigid Yunzabit Heights, where the Nameless Namekian spent his life alone from youth through adolescence. As the Nameless Namekian grew up, he looked to the sky for an explanation of his origins. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. For starters, Namekians average hearing range is significantly greater than that of the average human. However, this fission had two significant drawbacks. To survive, his father launched him into outer space in a spaceship which requires at least a basic knowledge of the ancient Namekian language to pilot. Check your inbox for your latest news from us. Lord Slug was able to dominate Goku until he became a false SSJ. Popo has a power level of 300. Basically, Kami pre-split. He was originally one being until he separated the evil out of his body, becoming Kami and removing King Piccolo from his soul. Piccolo and Nail were considered to be exceptional cases. They are passionate about turning your everyday moments into memories and bringing you inspiring ideas to have fun with your family. Later in his life, when the nameless Namekian sought the position ofGuardianof Earth, the then-current guardian asked him that these evil essences suppressed in his soul, so he tells the dedicated Namekian toseparate himselffrom his evil, which takes the form of the self-proclaimedKing Piccolo. Piccolo retained his form as the reunified Nameless Namekian for the remainder of the Dragon Ball Z. Humorously, during the Majin Buu Saga, his Kami traits cause him to be horrified at Gotenks and Super Buu's destruction of the Lookout. First, their power levels took a huge plummet. More like the featless namekian, amirite? Template:Quote The Nameless Namekian is a nameless Namekian, son of Katas. ?, Nail: Th-thats rightI was overwhelmingly defeated by Freeza, but I should have a good comprehension of his abilities[ ] So merge with me! He must be referring to pre-Androids saga SSJs right? He definitely didn't say anything like "astonishing" or "unbelievable" and he even remarks that Piccolo might have been able to beat Frieza if he was fused with Kami. He was so strong that, in the manga, Champa questions if he is really a Namekian, causing Piccolo to declare he was the reincarnation of the Demon King Piccolo, indicating that while he does not use his power for evil, Piccolo acknowledges his past as playing a role in making him as powerful as he is. I do want to ask, though: when was it stated that the child of Katatz was much stronger than Nail? It is revealed in Dragon Ball GT that the Nameless Namekian was powerful enough to create the Eternal Dragon Ultimate Shenron, who possessed power even greater than the likes of Super Baby Vegeta 2. This is born out in the cell saga. Not only that, but Guru claimed the Nameless Namek wouldn't have had any trouble against regular Saiyans, which is ridiculous if we go by your theory on the fusion. Hypothetical fusion of Piccolo and Dr. Mashirito, Characters with on-screen deaths who remained deceased. His name was revealed in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 to be Katas in a quiz, which is the same name as his father. The Super Namekian state possess several drawbacks. Meaning the zenkai had a far larger effect then the Namekian fusion did. 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